Liverpool Scottish Ypres/Ieper Visit
Updated 30th May 2002 - Please read the details carefully
Major Updates are in the following areas
Addition of Sjt CW Ormesher's Name to Menin Gate
May 2002 Museum Newsletter on the Site
Link to the Last Post Association - Ieper
Coach Victor leaves from Liverpool on Saturday 15th June 2002
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There will be a Liverpool Scottish visit to Ieper (Ypres) over the period of Saturday/Sunday/Monday 15th/16th/17th June 2002. The focus is the sad but fascinating case of Sjt. Ormesher.
Acting
Serjeant Charles William Ormesher of Liverpool Scottish was
listed as 'missing' after the Battle of Hooge on June 16th 1915.
His mother remained convinced that he was still alive and
went as far as obtaining the diplomatic intervention of the King
of Spain through his ambassador to the German Court. Maybe for
this reason he is not listed amongst the dead by the
Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) and his name appears on
no CWGC memorial. The CWGC has now accepted our case for
recognition, made by the Museum, and is to place Sjt.
Ormesher's name on the Menin Gate in Ieper. detail of the inscription is below
In a separate development, the Last Post Association
(LPA) invited Regiments of the British Army to nominate
individuals who would be specifically remembered each evening at
the Last Post ceremony in Ieper (Ypres) over the year from the 25
000th Last Post in October 2001. We have nominated Sjt.
Ormesher and his name will be central to the Last Post Ceremony
of Sunday 16th June 2002. As a result of our
nomination he is featured in the recent book 'At the Going
Down of the Sun - 365 Soldiers of the Great War' (Authors Ian
Connerty [LPA], Sir Martin Gilbert, Peter Hart, Nigel
Steel [IWM] and Lyn Macdonald). The photograph on the left
shows Sgt Ormesher and Privates Banner and Waterhouse on Hill 60
in the Ypres Salient probably about March 1915. The photograph to the left is from the album of John
Bloor Watkinson, a member of the Liverpool Scottish who survived
the war, and is from a print generously donated by his
grand-daughter, Carol Williams. The reverse of the print bears
the words 'All killed'.
The present
TA battalion, The King's and Cheshire Regiment (Lt Colonel Simon
Bell, commanding), is giving full support. We hope that as many
members of the Liverpool Scottish family as possible will wish to
make this trip using either 'Coach
Victor' or travelling with the Old and Bold or journeying independently. If you
intend to travel independently it would be helpful to inform Major Ian Riley (click for e-mail).
Colonel Alan Waterworth (Her Majesty's Lord Lieutenant of Merseyside) and Mrs. Waterworth are travelling with the party.
This is being handled by Captain AG McConnell of the King's and Cheshire Regiment and all queries regarding this should go to him
Captain AG McConnell:
0151 226 7000 (TA Centre)
Mobile: 07736 441651
The following is a final programme for 'Coach Victor'. It is hoped that those travelling independently will join us for the service at St George's and at the Liverpool Scottish Memorial as well as at the Menin Gate. All times are local.
Sun 16/06/02
1000 Cloth Hall Museum (In Flanders Fields) - group ticket
1300 Depart Ypres/Ieper (own arrangements for lunch)
1315 Arrive Hooge Battlefield - short presentation (Captain McConnell)
1430 Act of Remembrance/Wreath Laying at Liverpool
Scottish Memorial adjacent to the RE Grave Memorial (near Railway Wood
and Bellewaarde Farm)
1500 Hooge Crater Museum (Bar avail) - pay own entry fee if visiting this
excellent private museum
1600 Depart Hooge Crater to Return to Ypres/Ieper
1745 March to St George's Memorial Church
1800 Evensong at St George's Memorial Church
(Service Dress) - Sermon The Rev. Harry Ross
1930 Form
up outside St George's Church and parade to Menin Gate
2000 Last Post Ceremony at Menin Gate (Sgt Ormesher
focus of the Last Post Association's commemoration - see also separate
section detailing procedure at the Menin Gate as laid down by the Last
Post Association)
2100 Liverpool Scottish Officers' Association Dinner at the Trompete on the Market
Square adjacent to the Cloth Hall
2100 R&R in Ypres/Ieper area
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At the Menin Gate, there will be the Dobcross Silver Band and a party from Birmingham Royal British legion
Sjt Ormesher's Name on the Menin Gate
.All the addenda panels on the Menin Gate are in the loggias (i.e. not in the central hall, but on the the colonnaded outer walls, high on the ramparts. Sergeant Ormesher's name is on the eastern addenda panel in the southern loggia. The southern loggia is on the right-hand side when approaching the memorial from the town. The eastern addenda panel is the one nearest the town side. In other words, Ormesher's name can be found near the front right hand corner of the memorial (coming from the town), but up on top of the ramparts. On the addenda panel itself, the name is on the right hand side, some 12-15 feet up (i.e. about halfway) [Information from Ian Connerty - Last Post Association - Ieper]
The organising committee for the event and for 'Coach Victor' consists of Lt Colonel CTJ Harris TD and Messrs Evans, Riley, Boulter, McConnell, Brimage and Brown.
The image of the Menin Gate is taken by permission from a watercolour by Aurel Sercu of the Diggers