Liverpool Scottish Ypres/Ieper Visit

Updated 30th May 2002 - Please read the details carefully

Major Updates are in the following areas

The Programme

Procedure at the Menin Gate

Addition of Sjt CW Ormesher's Name to Menin Gate

May 2002 Museum Newsletter on the Site 

Link to the Last Post Association - Ieper

Coach Victor leaves from Liverpool on Saturday 15th June 2002

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General  

There will be a Liverpool Scottish visit to Ieper (Ypres) over the period of Saturday/Sunday/Monday 15th/16th/17th June 2002. The focus is the sad but fascinating case of Sjt. Ormesher.

The Liverpool Scottish at Hooge on June 16th 1915 - photograph by Private Fyfe who was lying wounded on the German 1st line of trenchesActing Serjeant Charles William Ormesher of Liverpool Scottish was listed as 'missing' after the Battle of Hooge on June 16th 1915. His mother remained convinced that he was still alive and went as far as obtaining the diplomatic intervention of the King of Spain through his ambassador to the German Court. Maybe for this reason he is not listed amongst the dead by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) and his name appears on no CWGC memorial. The CWGC has now accepted our case for recognition, made  by the Museum, and is to place Sjt. Ormesher's name on the Menin Gate in Ieper. detail of the inscription is below

IClick to enlarge. Sjt CW Ormesher of the Liverpool Scottish  with Ptes Banner and Waterhouse in the Ypres Salient at Hill 60, probably  March/April 1915 (courtesy of Carol Williams)n a separate development, the Last Post Association (LPA) invited Regiments of the British Army to nominate individuals who would be specifically remembered each evening at the Last Post ceremony in Ieper (Ypres) over the year from the 25 000th Last Post in October 2001. We have nominated Sjt. Ormesher and his name will be central to the Last Post Ceremony of Sunday 16th June 2002. As a result of our nomination he is featured in the recent book 'At the Going Down of the Sun - 365 Soldiers of the Great War' (Authors Ian Connerty [LPA], Sir Martin Gilbert, Peter Hart, Nigel Steel [IWM] and Lyn Macdonald). The photograph on the left shows Sgt Ormesher and Privates Banner and Waterhouse on Hill 60 in the Ypres Salient probably about March 1915. The photograph to the left is from the album of John Bloor Watkinson, a member of the Liverpool Scottish who survived the war, and is from a print generously donated by his grand-daughter, Carol Williams. The reverse of the print bears the words 'All killed'

Click to enlarge. Liverpool Scottish Pipes and Drums miniband at Ieper July 2000The present TA battalion, The King's and Cheshire Regiment (Lt Colonel Simon Bell, commanding), is giving full support. We hope that as many members of the Liverpool Scottish family as possible will wish to make this trip using either 'Coach Victor' or travelling with the Old and Bold or journeying independently. If you intend to travel independently it would be helpful to inform Major Ian Riley  (click for e-mail)

Colonel Alan Waterworth (Her Majesty's Lord Lieutenant of Merseyside) and Mrs. Waterworth are travelling with the party. 

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Booking and Payment

This is being handled by Captain AG McConnell of the King's and Cheshire Regiment and all queries regarding this should go to him

Captain AG McConnell:

0151 226 7000 (TA Centre)

Mobile: 07736 441651

gordonmac@onetel.net.uk 

 

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Programme  

The following is a final programme for 'Coach Victor'. It is hoped that those travelling independently will join us for the service at St George's and at the Liverpool Scottish Memorial as well as at the Menin Gate. All times are local. 

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Procedure at the Menin Gate

At the Menin Gate, there will be the Dobcross Silver Band and a party from Birmingham Royal British legion

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Sjt Ormesher's Name on the Menin Gate

.All the addenda panels on the Menin Gate are in the loggias (i.e. not in the central hall, but on the the colonnaded outer walls, high on the ramparts.  Sergeant Ormesher's name is on the eastern addenda panel in the southern loggia.  The southern loggia is on the right-hand side when approaching the memorial from the town.  The eastern addenda panel is the one nearest the town side.  In other words, Ormesher's name can be found near the front right hand corner of the memorial (coming from the town), but up on top of the ramparts.  On the addenda panel itself, the name is on the right hand side, some 12-15 feet up (i.e. about halfway) [Information from Ian Connerty - Last Post Association - Ieper]

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The organising committee for the event and for 'Coach Victor' consists of Lt Colonel CTJ Harris TD and Messrs Evans, Riley, Boulter, McConnell, Brimage and Brown.

Menin Gate Image

The image of the Menin Gate is taken by permission from a watercolour by Aurel Sercu of the Diggers

Click to enlarge - The ceremony at the Menin Gate July 2000 as WO2 (now WO 1) John Pollock of the Liverpool Scottish ACF detachment lays a wreath

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